They can't stop losing.
With just six games played between the four of them, Arsenal, Chelsea and both of the Manchester clubs have all suffered defeat already - with Arsenal losing both of their opening fixtures.
City and United have the opportunity to record their first points of this year's competition on Wednesday evening, but the following tweet flags up an alarming stat...
https://twitter.com/alitweedale/status/648966416335507457
With four places in the Champions League currently afforded to the Premier League, results might need to improve quickly if things are to remain the same.
If English clubs continue their poor European form over this season and the next, they will lose that fourth spot, most likely to the Serie A.
